It isn't just the right wing teabaggers whose know-nothing, "keep the government out of my Medicare" worldview is ascendant. On the left, it's pretty clear that a large part of the activist base wants no part of actual, you know, facts.
Last Wednesday the Pied Piper of Doom told his acolytes that:
What if ”they” told you that many, if not most, of the “official” economic numbers that have been hyped by our government and our private sector over the past few years—the very core statistics that form the faux “basis” of our society’s so-called, “professional” and pundit class’ economic analyses and the same numbers which are at the heart of our nation’s MSM reports on our economy, which then create the public’s perception about it, and our government’s response to it—have recently been proven to be so incredibly and grossly distorted in favor of Wall Street, that it’s now basic FACT that they were little more than corporatist hyperbole?Quelle surprise! The first estimate of quarterly GDP is ... an estimate! Beyond that, most of our economic statistics are "distortions," "propaganda," a "travesty," "mis- and disinformation." So, as one person finally noted, the Pied Piper of Doom's point "is that nothing anyone says can be trusted, even the final numbers, to any extent whatsoever, and ergo, we have to believe his conclusions."
... the BEA, in Q1 ’11, screwed the pooch on what is, arguably, the single most important statistical indicator (and, certainly the most inherently flawed) of our economy, the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) ....
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Unfortunately, this latest “chapter” in the story of the curtain being pulled back on the truth about our distorted economic “news” won’t be the last we hear of this propaganda travesty.
Stories of economic mis- and disinformation account for most of the “statistics” that we read and hear in the MSM concering our nation’s financial services sector, on a daily—if not hourly—basis, too.
Well, if that's the case, there's a little problem. Here's the Pied Piper of Doom only 3 days later:
By the way, and for the record, for any that deny what’s going on before their eyes, this month-over-month/year-over-year number inflation issue is not a “conspiracy theory.” These are cold, hard facts, (independently facilitated--without ANY inference/implication of collusion) by three separate entities publishing many of the most important key economic metrics utilized within our society: our government’s Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Bureau of Economic Analysis and the private sector’s National Association of Realtors.Ummm, first of all, I didn't know the NAR had anything to do with generating the CPI report. Apparently that's in the double-secret Doomer spy kit. But more importantly, didn't we just hear that we're not supposed to trust any government economic statistics?!?
But wait, you say. In the first article, he was discussing GDP. In this one he's discussing inflation. Well then, let me take you all the way back to ... two weeks ago. That's when the Pied Piper of Doom told his audience that:
here we are, a year after Secretary Geithner’s failed message appeared in print, and what do we have? Economic realities that tell us things might morph, yet again, from very bad to worse. How bad? Here’s a link to the latest analysis from William Alden over at HuffPo: “Recession Fears Revived As Economic Data Point To Critically Weakened Growth.”And what did the aforesaid William Alden rely upon? From the link:
[I]nvestors ... quickly changed focus to the increasingly ugly fundamentals: Gross domestic product is barely growing, the unemployment rate is high, home prices are falling and the manufacturing sector is suffering, with little relief in sight.(my emphasis) Yep. The Pied Piper of Doom told his audience that "economic realities ... [are] morph[ing] from very bad to worse" because of downward revisions to GDP!!!
A stream of data in recent days vividly portrays a sick economy. One more obstacle, experts say, might put an end to growth.
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The economic situation may be worse than the headline numbers make it seem. Economic output grew at an annual rate of just 0.85 percent in the first half of the year, the government announced Friday. Growth in the first three months clocked in at a meager 0.4 percent.
So, let me get this straight. Government statistics like GDP and payroll data are misinformation and propaganda, like when they show 9 straight quarters of growth from the 3rd quarter of 2009 on, except when they are revised downward. Then they're gospel. I'm sure there's a reason for that somewhere....
But it isn't just the Pied Piper of Doom I'm writing about. He got over 400 recommendations for that know-nothing screed. Here's a few of the comments:
- "Thanks for the confirmation of what many of us knew all along. The stats used in the Green Shoots diaries were known by many to be complete horseshit." (77 recs)
- "The official "unemployment" statistics are a total fabrication .... "They" don't tell you, because "they" don't want you to know" (48 recs)
- "Torture those numbers. Waterboard the numbers until they tell you what you want to hear!")
- "Of course government reporting is "managed". ... the fact that government is lying about its economic reporting"
- "Clap harder, everything will be all right. The government IS playing with number"
- "there is no shortage of idiots who will point to economic reports, dat, and statistics as somehow contradicting what peoples' personal experiences tell them."
That last one is a real gem. I don't know about you, but my personal experience everywhere I go is that the earth is flat, and plainly the sun, the moon, and the planets and stars all revolve around it.
That the Pied Piper of Doom is an economic dunce is plain if you actually dig into his record of over 100 false prophecies of Doom (saved on my hard drive), including for example multiple prophecies of imminent stock market crashes dating from May 2009 with the Dow Jones at about 7000. But he could not survive without his acolytes, for whom data is selectively accurate and selectively propaganda -- depending on whether it fits with their preconceived notions or not.
I never did a GBCW from DK. I left because even in the heyday only about 1 in 8 of my posts ever hit the rec list, and I am under no obligation to endure insults from people who plainly are not interested in factual debate. There is no point in attempting discourse with Know-Nothings - and with DK's participation numbers continuing to decline, it's clear that when it comes to the economy, Know-Nothings are the largest part of the remaining rump.
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P.S.: Unlike DK, whose YoY readership continues to decline, our numbers are going up in this period of uncertainty. We're getting a bunch of new readers who have seen our work on Seeking Alpha, and we know that some others quietly sneak over here from DK to find out what is really going on.


15 comments:
I've been reading this blog for about 3 years now, so maybe I've missed something. But who, exactly, is the Pied Piper of Doom?
The Pied Piper of Doom is one of the bloggers from Daily Kos who gave Bonddad and NDD a VERY hard time when they started to say the economy was getting better. The issue goes something like this: The Pied Piper of Doom is a pretty good muckraker, but a lousy economist. He also has extremely poor social skills. The Pied Piper has a good nose for finding out where the bodies are buried, and has frequently found important news about kleptocracy and corruption and brought it before the larger blogosphere. But the conclusion of all his stories is the same...
WE'RE DOOMED!! DOOMED I TELL YOU. THE ECONOMY IS FALLING APART. WE'LL ALL BE IMPOVERISHED SLAVES TO THE KLEPTOCRATIC GOVERNMENT IN A FEW MORE WEEKS! DOOOOOOOM!!
If the Pied Piper of Doom satisfied himself with reporting on the corruption and then stopping, everything would be good, but he has to play economist too... I think NDD and Bonddad should give up worrying about the Pied Piper - it's just not worth it, frankly, and it's well beneath both of them.
I suppose it was just a matter of time before the left turned against math/science/data.
It's amazing how quickly and without concern DKos is turning into a right-wing mirror of, say, RedState.
Science? Facts? Math? That doesn't support my preconceived notion of what it should say? Biased. Wrong. Corrupt.
Sad. This is the true reason why the American downfall has begun--we no longer trust each other, for any reason.
And the worst part is, I see it's now engaged in full-throated warfare over the same dichotomy that began on the right that's been so toxic to our politics: the schism between loyalists and ideologues. Those who support Obama (because of his position on Issue X) are not true Democrats. Those that challenge Obama (because of his position on Issue X given Republican opposition) are not true Democrats.
Truly sad.
I think the point that Bobswern -- I presume that's who NDd is referring to as the "Pied Piper of Doom" -- is making in his recent posts on Daily Kos is simply "Garbage-In-Garbage-Out": Bonddad and NDd (and others) can do all the high-quality, expert number-crunching analysis they want, but if the data they are working off of is bunk, then their conclusions are meaningless.
Bobswern's point, I think, is not that the conclusions made here (or elsewhere) are necessarily corrupt, but that they are merely unhelpful or inaccurate since they are based on flawed input. I also think he knows his audience there, and thus he paints his message more emotionally than it needs to be painted. But hyperbolic or not, his point may have some validity: If the data are bad, then conclusions based on that data are meaningless. GIGO.
Looking forward rather than backward, I truly wish the schism that has evolved over time could be resolved amicably. Those who read both sets of writings with concern would be better served with thoughtful debate between the parties involved rather than with pie fights between them.
For example, I believe that government data is honest, albeit imperfect, especially in preliminary reports, and that the analysis I read here based on such data is outstanding! BUT, I don't trust data coming out of the NAR as far as I can throw it -- it is merely self-serving propaganda in the guise of respectable data, and is only loosely-based on reality. Also, data coming out of the ratings agencies (like S&P) has proven to be corrupted by a self-serving profit-motive. So when I see analysis here based on NAR or S&P data, I usually just gloss over it, note it, and move forward using my own intuition for guidance, rather than altering my opinions based on the conclusions I see here.
For another example, apparently, the problems associated with three critical global situations has been shown to be unreliable: First, the truth of the extent of the nuclear emergency in Japan has been seriously underestimated, leading, I believe, to far rosier estimates of its economic effects than have been made based on the initial, flawed -- some would say corrupt -- data. Second, the banking system in Europe is apparently in much worse shape than originally thought because of the precarious, incestuous relationships between European sovereign wealth funds and European (and American) banks, so that if there is one big failure, the whole damn system will blow up. And thirdly, the recent audit of the Fed revealed that they paid out over $16T to banks and supercorporations around the entire globe in 2008 -- $16T!!! -- so I have to wonder just how much ammunition the Fed has left to stave off another massive contraction like the Great Depression, should it develop.
Again, I believe the analysis here is always honest, and certainly more data-based and thoughtful than elsewhere, but sometimes, I just don't accept it because I don't trust the underlying data.
In short, I read Bobswern, Bonddad, and NDd, and THEN, after reading Krugman's and other economists' writings, I apply my intuition to draw my own conclusions, which are...
We are in a depression. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Asia will be fine. Europe needs to unite fiscally, or dissolve monetarily, or the market will destroy them. America is in a liquidity trap, suffering from a lack of aggregate demand and should take advantage of super-low long rates to invest massively now in infrastructure that will grow its GDP, or it will be overrun economically by BRIC. The globe's plutocratic class -- billionaires and supercorporations -- are undertaxed in these contractionary times. They are sitting on gobs of cash that could and should be put to work for the globe's middle, working, and destitute classes. Only government can start the kind of virtuous cycle of capitalist, economic growth -- using the globe's existing wealth -- that will enrich ALL classes.
Careful, pride goeth before a fall.
I suppose it was just a matter of time before the left turned against math/science/data.
It's amazing how quickly and without concern DKos is turning into a right-wing mirror of, say, RedState.
I half-agree with you. Yes, Kos is getting less fact-based. On the other hand one can forecast recession or depression validly from both good economic data, AND from information about corruption and kleptocracy. The data Bonddad and NDD use will tell you when the depression/recession will come, and might also say something about how bad it will be and how long it will last. The data about corruption and kleptocracy will tell you why the depression/recession will happen, who will be involved, and what areas of the economy will generate the problems.
To fully understand what's going on, we need reporters on both beats. It would help if they didn't hate each other.
Alex R.: Well said, the focus on Bobswern is petty and unnecessary.
"I suppose it was just a matter of time before the left turned against math/science/data."
The left, much to my chagrin, has been against math/science/data for far longer than the right has.
No fear, though. The righties have caught up with a vengeance, and America sits quietly stewing in a lethal cauldron of ignorance and stupidity.
Got to concur with others here; don't debase yourself by even acknowledging the existence of the idiocracy that rules DKos's pages. They are fools who will no doubt enjoy living under the next Republican president as they can then indulge in their two favorite pastimes: being victims and whining.
You know what they say about wrestling with the pig in mud and all that.
I read your site with interest every day.
Here is what I skip:
-Your rants about people who I don't even know who they are and in any case I don't see how they represent Dailykos. I am not disturbed by recommended diaries in Dkos, which reflect the indomitable stupidity of the masses. I am more disturbed by the increasingly immature focus of the main page. (Republican candidates eating corn dogs, or forgetting what town they are in when they're just tired.)
-Technical analysis, which I don't really want to say reminds me of reading the entrails of chickens.
-Depressed comments about how horrible Obama is and how the Republican deserves to win, which not only plays to what Republicans want, but is under the assumption that the president is some type of god.
AlexR, thank you for describing so well the valuable contribution to the debate about our current state of political economics both parties continue to make. From what I can tell, however, each is bringing different strengths to different elements of that topic, political economics. Unfortunately, a style addressing the political side meshes badly with a style which needs to principally address the economics side of the debate.
If I recall the contretemps which raged between Bobswern, NDD and Bonddad back last year, the real bitterness seeped into the exchanges when charges were implied that somehow NDD and Bonddad were benefiting from the modestly positive forecasts they were offering. I never believed that argument, because many elements of their analysis were accurate, except as disrupted by bone-headed moves from the political side of the economy. Alas, once the argument engaged the contamination just spread. Unfortunately, without further direct exchanges, the disagreements in view can't be resolved, for which we are all the poorer.
While I agree with your comments regarding 'only seeing the numbers that match your predetermined conclusions', I would have to say I often see the same sort of thing from the author.
A few weeks back he made some ridiculous comments about the housing 'rebound' and followed it with a graph that clearly showed, at best, a dead cat bounce. It makes no more sense to have a predetermined conclusion one way, than another.
Well bs called the Bank of America tumble....down another 6% today....
Just keep doing your thing.
I never read economic diaries there. At all. (not since the sane people left and publish here now). Because of the ridiculousness over there that continues to spread beyond economics, I now only pay attention to the action and election diaries.
As for "are working off of is bunk, then their conclusions are meaningless."
Um.. then so are his. Good luck trying to get him to admit that bit of logic.
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